Lunar Sea Spire podcast episode 64: The Answer

PodcastTitleStevenBomb4Sophia, GC13, and Ken start off #StevenBomb4 with a discussion of The Answer.

Well the episode certainly more than lived up to its name: not only did it bring us multiple answers (including the one it specifically references: love, but we already knew that), but it brought us plenty of questions as well.

This episode has everything: war, romance, and cotton candy. And fate. And answers.

Pink Diamond Theory is in an interesting place right now. It doesn’t matter how large you estimate Blue Diamond to be, she’s obviously much larger than Rose.


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    • Deion on January 5, 2016 at 12:31 pm

    I wouldn’t necessarily say they fell in love instantly we don’t actually know how long Ruby and sapphire were stuck down there before they refused as a few days were shown to pass during the song before fusing into garnet so it may have taken garnet a while to stumble into rose

    1. I hadn’t thought about how much time had passed. The amount of time it takes up in the episode is so brief I actually assumed it was only like 1 night or even just a few hours.

      At one point I was thinking it was kind of hypocritical for Garnet to tell Jamie that love at first sight doesn’t really exist when that seems to be what happened with Ruby and Sapphire, but as you say here there may have actually been more time that had passed. Also, as Bugberry points out down below, this is really more the beginning of their relationship. It makes me wonder if they got to know each other mostly by being fused as Garnet, or if they actually still spent a great deal of their time as Ruby and Sapphire for awhile, switching between fused and separate as they see fit.

    • neotidan on January 5, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    I saw an interesting theory that diamonds are normal gems that have fused with a bismuth. Maybe the bismuths corrupt the gem to such a point that the gem itself changes. So “Pink Diamond” just unfused with the bismuth and became Rose Quartz. That would explain why Rose is so special yet Sapphire didn’t recognize her as a diamond or anyone of importance. It would also explain why Rose Quartz is a quartz but could have been Pink diamond up until that point. Which could also explain the bismuth, why P.D. disappeared at around the same time, and why Rose is such a strange gem even though no one recognized her.

      • Scott on January 5, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      That’s a really interesting theory. I know they’re going to explain bismuth eventually, and that it’s going to be important, I just really wish they’d do so soon. I’m so curious!

    • Scott on January 5, 2016 at 2:05 pm

    I would totally listen to a GC13 podcast all about the revised Pink Diamond theory after we get the whole Steven Birthday Bomb. I wouldn’t be shocked if we learn a little more about Pink Diamond this week.

      • gc13 on January 5, 2016 at 2:28 pm

      We can only hope. What we really need to learn is when the pyramid temple was constructed, because that would be most edifying.

        • Emerald on January 5, 2016 at 4:09 pm

        I would love to hear this podcast.

    • Something Witty on January 5, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    Just as Quartz is a naturally large Gem, perhaps Diamonds are just super-massive Gem goddess-esque characters.

    Also, who’s to say that during the course of that song, they hadn’t been living on Earth for a whole year or more. That song may have been a many year long montage.

    I don’t think that Pearl could summon her spear yet. She mentions in the first episode how “with hard work and determination you can master your own dance” so that probably means she hadn’t learned how to summon a weapon yet. Or maybe Rubies can’t summon weapons either, so our Ruby had to learn how to summon her glove.

    I seriously don’t think that Rose is Pink Diamond anymore. She must be important, she’s a big and very strong Quartz, but I don’t think she’s a diamond. She’s just so smol compared to a Diamond. Really the only cooincedence is that Rose and Blue Diamond both have Pearls.

    I don’t think those statues are the Diamonds either, cuz the position where Blue Diamond’s statue would be has her Gem in the wrong spot.

    I did my best to avoid the leaks, but…
    Just buckle your seatbelts…

    • TheUniverseGem on January 5, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    Just like in games theres a xertain item to enhance the character soooo bismuth and a gem make a gem housing an enormous power

    • Emerald on January 5, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    I honestly want to believe that Rose smashed Pink Diamond and that’s why home world sent Blue Diamond to apprehend her. That would also explain the Pearl/Rose hologram scene we saw in Rose’s Scabbard a bit more. Maybe Pearl belonged to Pink Diamond and Rose set her free in a way. Who knows but it sure is fun to think about!

    • SUfan on January 5, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    Im quite sure Pink Diamond theory is dead at this point. for example this: And, The fact that she has the Quartz body type that Peridot described, (Broad shouldered etc.) And the fact that her skin is based on the pale milky Rose Quartz that is more common than the darker variety . And the fact that Blue Diamond’s Gem is Diamond shaped meaning its likely all of their Gems are meaning, Rose is not a Diamond. Then the fact that Blue Diamond is a giant, while Rose is Quartz sized. And its likely all the diamonds are tall.

      • gc13 on January 5, 2016 at 5:09 pm

      Not dead, but revised to have Rose merely be an important agent of Pink Diamond. You can pretty much take to the bank that there was a fourth, pink, ruler of Gem society.

      With Rose being the only pink Gem we had ever seen it was natural to assume it was her, but since the show focuses on Earth I suppose it makes sense for her importance to have been limited to there.

        • SUfan on January 5, 2016 at 9:47 pm

        Yes. But it was sort of unreasonable to say she was Pink Diamond when she’s the only Pink Gem around, there are TONS of pink gems, Pink topaz, Pink Opal, Etc. And they are all the Gems of love so not even that could tie her to Pink Diamond. People also made theories on Lapis Lazuli being Blue Diamond following the same flawed logic.

          • gc13 on January 5, 2016 at 10:36 pm

          Well for Blue Diamond we also knew that there was a blue-gemmed Crystal Gem, so Lapis wasn’t the first blue Gem we caught wind of. Plus, Rose Quartz was a leader with a regal bearing while Lapis obviously wasn’t. (I was never in to the idea of Lapis as “Blue Diamond”, though I did use it as a thought experiment once.)

            • SUfan on January 5, 2016 at 10:47 pm

            Yep the lighthouse Gem theory went down the drain. Let’s see what more goodies this Bomb can give us before it finishes exploding.

    • Igz on January 5, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    I have a theory about the Blue Diamond court. It has to do with how “passive” the BD court is in times of conflict. Think all the way back to Jailbreak. Ruby, despite her frantic nature, was adamant on finding Sapphire and making sure that she was alright. Sapphire on the other hand was calm, focused, even to the point where she didn’t even flinch when Jasper punched her cell and yelled at her to stop singing. Even their embrace in that episode shows how the two are different. Ruby was the most expressive, and Sapphire was the one who stayed the most stoic in happiness. You may say this is because Sapphy has Future Vision, but let’s look at Keystone Motel.

    At the motel, Sapphire was obviously intent on keeping her emotions bottled up, while of course Ruby was raving like a madman, er, gem. Sure, Sapphire was spamming Future Vision to ensure that everything would be alright, but think about how she handled the situation. Sapphire didn’t come out and express her feelings until she saw how Steven was affected, realizing that she was hurting herself and others with her passive nature. Now, what does this have to do with The Answer?

    Think about how all the gems, both the foreground and background gems acted in that episode. When Sapphire walks up to Blue Diamond, we see there is a Lapis Lazuli in the background. Now recall how submissive Lapis was in The Return/Jailbreak. She didn’t at all want to fight nor put up a fight. The only time where she expressed her will to fend off her foes brought upon her downfall in fusing with Jasper to become Malachite.

    The Rubies, or at least OUR Ruby, was focused on protecting Sapphire, not fighting as Rubies normally do. Ruby was under the orders of the Blue Diamond court, which if taking Sapphire and Lapis’ nature into account, was not meant for fighting, nor for handling combat. Why else would Sapphire be given three Rubies if she knew how to defend herself.

    In fact, I don’t think Sapphire has a combative weapon at all. Her (only) gem power is the power of Future Vision. Yes, she has the power of speed and ice, but she has never been placed in situations of physical conflict. When Pearl was about to take her out, Sapphire did nothing not just because she had accepted her fate, but because there was literally nothing she could do to defend herself via physical means.

    So about those two Quartz gems Pearl took out on her own. Maybe they were not as powerful as Rose or Jasper because they were intended not to be so by the Blue Diamond court.

    Overall, the Blue Diamond court is not meant for (physical) combat, the gems within the court deal with diplomatic matters with passive approach, and Sapphire specifically has no way of fighting head-on in combat.

    P.S.: Blue Diamond’s throne is built for escape. The Spider legs were activated as soon as the rebels showed up.

      • SUfan on January 5, 2016 at 9:56 pm

      Sorry, but First off passive? When Rose and Pearl stood still shocked by Garnet’s appearance The entire court marched up to them clearly angry and hostile. Sapphire had a very scared look when Jasper punched her cell before going back to singing. The events of “Keystone motel” all have to do with her situation, she sees into the future so she doesn’t live in the moment she doesn’t notice what’s happening in the now because her mind is at the end of time. Like she said “I keep looking into the future, when all of this has already been solved, no wonder you think I don’t care…..” Only then did she get out of her everything ends up fine future seeing habit and started living in the present. That was THE lapis lazuli, she had her Gem on her back and its likely that like Sapphire she’s a rare Gem and isn’t manufactured for a reason. The Rubies were clearly itching for a fight, and They were assigned to protect her because Homeworld doesn’t want to lose a valuable special Gem like she is to a fight. Her reason was pretty clear. I doubt you could Keep a Quartz from their nature, they were ready for battle Pearl just overwhelmed them.

    • Bugberry on January 6, 2016 at 7:52 am

    I think Garnet’s first outfit shows how Ruby and Sapphire aren’t completely in love yet. Garnet says how love takes time, and her first outfit shows how Ruby and Sapphire love each other enough to want to make their relationship work, even though it has a rocky start. This is most likely a lot like the end of Story for Steven, where it ends with Greg and Rose seemingly in love, but we find out there are many more ups and downs to come and things to work out.

    • Bugberry on January 6, 2016 at 8:09 am

    I found some things odd though about how Garnet first formed and the reaction of the other Gems. The only other instance of accidental fusion was between Connie and Steven, and that was because they were feeling very close and in sync. In this episode, Sapphire doesn’t seem to be in a mental state open to fusion, and Ruby is only trying to shove her out of harm’s way, so for them to accidentally fuse felt odd. Also, I always figured Garnet being Garnet was looked down on because she is a fusion not used for war, where as in this it seems to be different Gems fusing is what makes her looked down on. We see with Jasper and Lapis that Homeworld finds it acceptable to fuse with a different Gem under dire circumstances, and considering how there are multiple Warrior type Gems, it would seem a common occurrence for different Gems to need to fuse during a battle.

    • Rogna on January 6, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    I was really happy with how this episode turned out! I do agree with you though when you say that the blooming of Ruby and Sapphire’s relationship was a little rushed, at least in terms of the 11-minute episode (in reality, the montage probably showed a year or so of bonding). The episode does sort of make up for it however. Think about how in the court-fusion scene Ruby’s wish to protect Sapphire went against what Sapphire’s future vision told her. It’s almost as if their love wasn’t bound by what fate had in mind. This is surprisingly consistent with the themes in the episode Love Letters where Garnet tells Jamie something along the lines of love not being just “meant to be” or “at first sight” but requiring time and work. What Garnet says is “the Answer” at the end of the episode, “love”, starts to be more informative than corny now due to it actually answering Sapphire’s question to Rose, assuming that I’m not reading to much into this whole thing. Pretty cool, right?

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