Pink Diamond didn’t know about the Cluster

The waters for when exactly the Diamonds decided to destroy Earth have gotten muddy. We’ve always known that the Cluster took a long time to develop, and that the Diamonds had the power to wipe the planet clean of rebellious Gems, so we assumed that the Cluster was only conceived of after Pink’s shattering and the attack was intended to keep the Cluster safe. After Your Mother and Mine, however, things are less clear. It now looks like the decision to destroy Earth was made long before Pink’s shattering, and without her knowledge.

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Lunar Sea Spire podcast episode 187: Your Mother and Mine

GC13 and Isabelle discuss the first episode of Steven Torpedo 2, Your Mother and Mine.

This episode is all about story time with Garnet, but how accurate is that story? Garnet wasn’t there, and is probably relying on Rose for some pretty crucial information. Plus, is Pink Diamond gone or not?

The saga of Lars and his daring crew continues. Thank goodness they cleared up the whole compliment issue, or Padparadscha might have been sad. 🙁

Steven Universe air times for April 16-22

All times are EDT.

Monday:
6:00 AM: Frybo
7:30 PM: The Big Show

Tuesday:
6:00 AM: The Big Show

Wednesday:
6:00 AM: Cat Fingers

Thursday:
6:00 AM: Bubbles Buddies

Friday:
6:00 AM: Serious Steven

Unlocked episodes for April 15-21, 2018

It looks like the date for new episodes has shifted again. These are the episodes available for the week on the Cartoon Network website and app without logging in with a TV provider.

  • That Will Be All
  • Same Old World
  • Restaurant Wars
  • Rising Tides/Crashing Skies
  • Frybo

Lunar Sea Spire podcast episode 186: You’re In Control

GC13 and David discuss the finale for the first season of Mr. Jones-Quartey’s OK K.O.!: You’re In Control.

Even if the power levels on display in the episode make absolutely no sense at all, it’s certainly a big deal of an episode. Not only is there a big change in management at Boxmore, the fight scenes are just great.

Then, of course, there’s the question of what everything means for K.O. It looks like we’ll have to wait and see…

Steven Universe air times for April 9-15, 2018

All times are EDT.

Monday:
6:00 AM: Gem Glow
7:30 PM: Your Mother and Mine

Tuesday:
6:00 AM: Your Mother and Mine

Wednesday:
6:00 AM: Laser Light Cannon

Thursday:
6:00 AM: Cheeseburger Backpack

Friday:
6:00 AM: Together Breakfast

Unlocked episodes for this week

This is the next batch of episodes to be unlocked on the Cartoon Network app and website and viewable without a login:

  • Steven’s Dream
  • Chille Tid
  • Keystone Motel
  • Together Breakfast

Another episode has been added:

  • Log Date 7 15 2

Yes, there are villains in Steven Universe

It is very often claimed that Ms. Sugar has said there are no villains in Steven Universe, and the discussion quickly turns to the morality of the characters. Is anyone irredeemable? Could certain characters have reasonable motivations for their harmful actions?

A source is never cited for the initial claim, however—people simply assume that Ms. Sugar said that there are no villains then proceed from there.

As far as we can tell, the only place Ms. Sugar has ever spoken about villains is in an old Gizmodo article written in November 2013 as the show was beginning. Most of the article is about the show, but Ms. Sugar’s time on Adventure Time comes up, as does her role in helping shape the Ice King’s backstory. It is after that, at the very end of the article, that it mentions villains in Steven Universe:

But we won’t necessarily see that many iconic villains on Steven Universe, says Sugar — the Gems aren’t dealing with a particular person, but something “bigger than that.” There’s not “really a singular enemy.” Instead, the conflict will be within the group, and it’ll be about Steven figuring out what’s right.

It should be immediately obvious that this is far, far different than what people assume is meant by “there are no villains in Steven Universe”. First off there is the immediate qualifier: the article is talking about iconic villains. Plus it says “we won’t necessarily see that many” of them, not that there aren’t any.

The primary conflict of the show was envisioned as being driven not by a villain attacking the group but within the group and within Steven’s own sense of right and wrong.  That doesn’t mean that there are no villains, and it doesn’t even mean that those villains can’t be iconic.

While it’s easy to see how the game of Telephone could turn the article’s quote into a “no villains” line, making it the likely source of the rumor, examining it directly makes it obvious that it doesn’t say there are no villains in the show.

Some of the earliest sources for this claim cite an AMA Ms. Sugar did. It’s true that in August 2014 Ms. Sugar did an AMA on Reddit, but nobody has ever cited a post where she claimed the show had no villains. She was asked twice about whether recurring villains would be added to the series, but both times she simply said that she did not want to give spoilers.

We have yet to find a direct quote from Ms. Sugar – or even another article paraphrasing her words – that is about villains on the show, despite people often being challenged to provide a source for the claim that Ms. Sugar says the show does not have any villains (or “any true villains” as it has also mutated into). If you can find such a source then let the world know, but people have been saying she said there were no villains for at least two and a half years at this point without it surfacing. The claim most likely started with a misunderstanding of what the Gizmodo article said and grew from there.

Lunar Sea Spire podcast episode 185: The March 26 episodes (Steven Torpedo 2)

GC13 and David discuss the second Steven Torpedo (a batch of episodes released to the app first).

Our predictions weren’t bad, all things considered. (Maybe we cheated by knowing what thumbnails the episodes had.) Don’t worry though, we still got things wrong, and had at least one joke turn out to be true.

It was a fun batch of townie episodes, and a flashback of dubious accuracy. And Concrete Heat also learned how to look like his tag partner, Chunk Truck.

No air times scheduled for April 2-8, 2018