Lunar Sea Spire podcast episode 72: Steven and the Stevens

PodcastTitleSophia, GC13, and Ken discuss the episode currently holding the show record for most characters killed off on-screen: Steven and the Stevens.

Ken may not be able to get past (an alternate version of) Steven killing off so many alternate versions of himself, but if Steven and the Pompadours wasn’t going to happen, then there probably wasn’t much use in keeping the Time Thingie around anyway.

With the rules for time travel presented in the first half of season one though, we have to wonder… What does the homeworld do with the other time travel artifacts that they are certain to have?


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    • Scott on February 1, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    Sophia I had the same exact reaction. When Steven commented on how annoying he was, I was like “YES you are!!!,” and after that I started liking him and thought he acted a lot less annoying.

      • Bugberry on February 1, 2016 at 1:18 pm

      I think for me, while I was already warming up to him, the key early episodes that made me not find Steven annoying were Serious Steven, Too Many Birthdays, and Lars and the Cool Kids. Serious Steven addresses his naive outlook on the dangers they face, and the episodes after show him having learned this and take things more serious. Too Many Birthdays has Pearl call Steven “sweet, considerate, and only occasionally obnoxious”, which put into perspective his good qualities and how his annoyance isn’t intentional, but from a place of love. And Lars and the Cool Kids had Steven use these qualities to defy the “cool kid” stereotype, and the way he maturely stood up to Lars made me respect him a lot.

      1. I feel that way too since the beginning, and seeing it looking a little better on quality right now makes me enjoy this now. Coming with the terms of the time changing progresses in those huge moments, surprize me at that is getting me excited so much that something for me to really feel more to them.

    • Orion Taylor on February 1, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    With regards to Steven’s perfect pitch and the musicality of gems: have you guys heard of crystal oscillators? According to google: “A crystal oscillator is an electronic oscillator circuit that uses the mechanical resonance of a vibrating crystal of piezoelectric material to create an electrical signal with a precise frequency”. Quartz is frequently used for this purpose.

    • Bugberry on February 1, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    My issue with the “Steven death” is that how do we know those other Stevens died? Steven saying it in his song isn’t reliable, and just because the Stevens made pained noises doesn’t mean they were killed. The time device could have just been their anchor to the alternate timelines, and upon losing it, were forcibly yanked back to their original timeliness.

    Also, I can’t help but die a bit inside when GC says “ain’t no thang”.

    • Bugberry on February 1, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    Also, Pearl being the most level headed? Rose’s Fountain, Rose’s Scabbard, Say Uncle, or basically any episode where Steven is on an adventure with them would disagree. The whole reason Keeping it Together was impactful was because it was the first time we saw Garnet have a breakdown. And Amethyst is also better at going with the flow.

    • Something Witty on February 1, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    I wonder if the Hourglass of Time is Gem Dust. It’d be nice to have a cross-time Pilot/Canon universe crossover now that both time things are both destroyed in both timelines.

    • Something Witty on February 1, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    I don’t think that Steven knew that he was going to kill himself there.

    It’d be nice to have an episode in which we get to see the timeline where he is dead now.

    • Something Witty on February 1, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    Whoever the Gem used to be who was smashed to become the dust for the Hourglass of Time, they must’ve been incredibly powerful. I like to believe that she’ll appear in a future episode now that she’s “free” and just rewind herself to before she was smashed.

    • Something Witty on February 1, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    I still like to think that the Uncle Grandpa episode works like this:

    “Don’t worry bro, none of this is canon…except for this.”

    And then the entire episode after that moment is canon.

    • SUfan on February 1, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Technically because of time paradox mumbo jumbo, Timey wimey stuff of the sort, Because Steven destroyed the time thing before the Steven of that time used it, it made a paradox where every alternate Steven died because they couldn’t exist because Steven never used the time thing in the first place, However this paradox also means they didn’t die, they just couldn’t exist and had to be removed from existence but all those Stevens are fine because time travel never happened so they never died they live their normal lives as the show’s Steven. My brain is on fire…..Technically the entire episode never happened Except for The beachapalooza where Steven plays with the crystal Gems. But it was disturbing to See one of the Steven’s desperately running towards Steven saying “Steven, you gotta help me! *ded* AHHH!”

    • Jon P on February 2, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    Re: Peridot not understanding what music is. I think, given the way she had previously referred to Pearl “singing, crying, crying while singing”, it wasn’t so much not knowing what music is, but being bewildered about why she should take part.
    I do love the way GC and Sophia were going on about We Bare Bears and Spongebob being alternate universes and then Ken is like, “So yeah can we get back to how Steven murdered a whole bunch of Stevens?” The end of this episode disturbs me for similar reasons. Did you really learn to stay true to yourself, Steven? Did you really learn… anything at all?

    • Sunny on February 8, 2016 at 2:04 pm

    Hello! First time commenter, long time listener.

    One of you mentioned briefly in this episode that Garnet’s future vision makes some plotholes, because why can’t she just know everything that is going to happen and prevent it?
    I have a theory, but I’m just going to keep it to some short points. I hope you might address it on a podcast sometime!!

    1. Garnet has to consciously choose to look into the future (Evidence: “No matter how many times I look, I can’t see us finding Peridot). Maybe it’s difficult and/or tiring, so she only does it when she needs to or has energy left over?

    2. While Sapphire was able to see her entire life ahead of her, adding Ruby to the mix limits the future vision. Maybe she can only see a couple of days ahead?

    3. Garnet (and Sapphire) can only see futures where she is involved, meaning that she cannot see futures where she fuses, defuses, or isn’t near. (Evidence: Giving Steven the vision in Jail Break instead of telling him where Pearl and Amethyst are, giving Steven the vision in Winter Forecast instead of saying the storm is going to be bad, not predicting Sugulite going berzerk, not predicting Pearls betrayal, Sapphire not predicting fusing with Ruby)

    I really love the podcast!!! Keep it up!

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